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		<title>Comment on A totally unconventional approach to tackling connectivism by suifaijohnmak</title>
		<link>http://tschofen.wordpress.com/2009/10/03/a-totally-unconventional-approach-to-tackling-connectivism/#comment-123</link>
		<dc:creator>suifaijohnmak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 23:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I realized that one of the difficult things about connectivism is the large amount of imagination and creativity it requires.&quot;  That&#039;s intersting insight. 

Would that mean connectivism refer to theory of learning of what&#039;s imaginative or creative?  I am wondering if it is &quot;describing&quot; the present state of &quot;informal learning&quot; whereas people are looking for fun (games), socialising. 

&quot;Indeed, after adrenaline junkies finish the parachute jumping, someone has to inspect and fold the chutes. Many jumpers pack their own, I hear, but for the sake of metaphor, let’s say that might be what CCK09 participants are doing.&quot;

I love your metaphors here, so vividly described what might be the thoughts in mind of some of the &quot;adventurers&quot; and &quot;explorers&quot; amongst the  parachutists.  I would like to learn those skills of &quot;flying in the air&quot;, and don&#039;t find it easy OOHS.. Lurking is safer.  But it is tempting too to pack the parachute.

May be that&#039;s why it&#039;s hard to apply at work, as people may think of day dreaming.. and I wonder if Chaos and Complexity Theory could is still about the butterfly, or teaching/learning..

Wonderful post.  Thanks
John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I realized that one of the difficult things about connectivism is the large amount of imagination and creativity it requires.&#8221;  That&#8217;s intersting insight. </p>
<p>Would that mean connectivism refer to theory of learning of what&#8217;s imaginative or creative?  I am wondering if it is &#8220;describing&#8221; the present state of &#8220;informal learning&#8221; whereas people are looking for fun (games), socialising. </p>
<p>&#8220;Indeed, after adrenaline junkies finish the parachute jumping, someone has to inspect and fold the chutes. Many jumpers pack their own, I hear, but for the sake of metaphor, let’s say that might be what CCK09 participants are doing.&#8221;</p>
<p>I love your metaphors here, so vividly described what might be the thoughts in mind of some of the &#8220;adventurers&#8221; and &#8220;explorers&#8221; amongst the  parachutists.  I would like to learn those skills of &#8220;flying in the air&#8221;, and don&#8217;t find it easy OOHS.. Lurking is safer.  But it is tempting too to pack the parachute.</p>
<p>May be that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s hard to apply at work, as people may think of day dreaming.. and I wonder if Chaos and Complexity Theory could is still about the butterfly, or teaching/learning..</p>
<p>Wonderful post.  Thanks<br />
John</p>
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		<title>Comment on Unstable ground by Notional Slurry &#187; links for 2009-05-18</title>
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		<dc:creator>Notional Slurry &#187; links for 2009-05-18</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 06:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Unstable ground « Thinking Out Loud &quot;And I worry that the idea that learning in relation to history can easily be kept within some type of bounds implies, to a degree, that the importance of history is its factual content. Generations of captive history students, face-down and drooling on their desks, indicate that approaches of this nature are not only unfortunately limited, but also a fatal blow to any intrinsic interest in examining historical/cultural change.&quot; (tags: via:tsuomela history pedagogy learning-by-doing learning cultural-norms memory pragmatism) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Unstable ground « Thinking Out Loud &quot;And I worry that the idea that learning in relation to history can easily be kept within some type of bounds implies, to a degree, that the importance of history is its factual content. Generations of captive history students, face-down and drooling on their desks, indicate that approaches of this nature are not only unfortunately limited, but also a fatal blow to any intrinsic interest in examining historical/cultural change.&quot; (tags: via:tsuomela history pedagogy learning-by-doing learning cultural-norms memory pragmatism) [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on About by Rick Gagne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Gagne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there, ctscho!
Just read your semiotic interlude and enjoyed it very much.  That textbook closet--ha!  Good one, very good.  Am going to have to take some time to read some more of this good stuff.

Hope you and yours are well and happy.  Elise and I and ours are alive and well and living in Mizsippi.

A futurist, and not a Facebooker?  How can this be??

All the best--
--Rick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there, ctscho!<br />
Just read your semiotic interlude and enjoyed it very much.  That textbook closet&#8211;ha!  Good one, very good.  Am going to have to take some time to read some more of this good stuff.</p>
<p>Hope you and yours are well and happy.  Elise and I and ours are alive and well and living in Mizsippi.</p>
<p>A futurist, and not a Facebooker?  How can this be??</p>
<p>All the best&#8211;<br />
&#8211;Rick</p>
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		<title>Comment on A semiotic interlude by Keith Lyons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Lyons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carmen

What a great post. I am fascinated by the use of storying as a didactic opportunity. Your description is so vivid.

For me engagement with teachers has been triggered by their excitement in learning and their ability to share their passion. As a teacher and coach I have aspired to engage learners regardless of the specific technologies available ... it is ultimately an educational technology approach that leads me. 

I am fascinated by learning biographies and teachable moments. You and Jenny through her comments to you have given me another opportunity to reflect.

When I saw your post title I was brushing up on my semiology!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carmen</p>
<p>What a great post. I am fascinated by the use of storying as a didactic opportunity. Your description is so vivid.</p>
<p>For me engagement with teachers has been triggered by their excitement in learning and their ability to share their passion. As a teacher and coach I have aspired to engage learners regardless of the specific technologies available &#8230; it is ultimately an educational technology approach that leads me. </p>
<p>I am fascinated by learning biographies and teachable moments. You and Jenny through her comments to you have given me another opportunity to reflect.</p>
<p>When I saw your post title I was brushing up on my semiology!</p>
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		<title>Comment on A semiotic interlude by jennymackness</title>
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		<dc:creator>jennymackness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have really enjoyed this post, Carmen.  I went to a school like the one you describe in Austria. We always had to stand when teachers entered the room and we mostly had to copy from the board. I don&#039;t remember discussion being promoted, and I think I chose science as my area of focus because it was practical (less sitting and copying notes off the board). 

Your description of the library being locked made me laugh. Schools were and I think still are very rule bound. I remember having to negotiate with a headteacher in a school I worked to break the school rule that all children went out into the playground at playtime. I had a group of children who had formed a club based on &#039;Lord of the Rings &#039; (the book - this was before the films came out). All they wanted to do was write about this, perform plays, do art work etc. It wasn&#039;t in the school curriculum and the only time they could get together was at school playtime. It was difficult convincing the headteacher to break the rule that all children should &#039;go out to play!&#039; Where did all these rules come from?

I think teachers are so constrained by all these rules. They use a whiteboard often because it is a requirement. Similarly with ICT in general and also with libraries. The curriculum is so overloaded and tied down that they have little time to think about what might be best for learning, particularly early in their careers when they are also learning to teach. 

I&#039;m not sure what the answer is.

Jenny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have really enjoyed this post, Carmen.  I went to a school like the one you describe in Austria. We always had to stand when teachers entered the room and we mostly had to copy from the board. I don&#8217;t remember discussion being promoted, and I think I chose science as my area of focus because it was practical (less sitting and copying notes off the board). </p>
<p>Your description of the library being locked made me laugh. Schools were and I think still are very rule bound. I remember having to negotiate with a headteacher in a school I worked to break the school rule that all children went out into the playground at playtime. I had a group of children who had formed a club based on &#8216;Lord of the Rings &#8216; (the book &#8211; this was before the films came out). All they wanted to do was write about this, perform plays, do art work etc. It wasn&#8217;t in the school curriculum and the only time they could get together was at school playtime. It was difficult convincing the headteacher to break the rule that all children should &#8216;go out to play!&#8217; Where did all these rules come from?</p>
<p>I think teachers are so constrained by all these rules. They use a whiteboard often because it is a requirement. Similarly with ICT in general and also with libraries. The curriculum is so overloaded and tied down that they have little time to think about what might be best for learning, particularly early in their careers when they are also learning to teach. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what the answer is.</p>
<p>Jenny</p>
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		<title>Comment on Terms of engagement by Keith Lyons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Lyons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, Carmen

What a great post. The ethnographer in me revelled in the detail you provide here.

My hope is that teachers and parents do commit to the different ways of supporting learner development you discuss here.

Many years ago I read a fascinating paper entitled &#039;Teaching as an act of love&#039;. It had a profound affect on me as a teacher. The birth of my children accelerated my treatment of all learners as my family and my desire to work in small schools and small classes. I believe that it is the closeness of relationships in pedagogy that transform rather than reproduce culture.

Fortunately I have never had to teach a national curriculum or &#039;teach to standards&#039; and so my teaching has been free to explore the flourishing of the human spirit that you discuss here.

Thank you for starting my day here in Australia with such a thought-provoking, smile-producing post.

My very best wishes for 2009

Keith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, Carmen</p>
<p>What a great post. The ethnographer in me revelled in the detail you provide here.</p>
<p>My hope is that teachers and parents do commit to the different ways of supporting learner development you discuss here.</p>
<p>Many years ago I read a fascinating paper entitled &#8216;Teaching as an act of love&#8217;. It had a profound affect on me as a teacher. The birth of my children accelerated my treatment of all learners as my family and my desire to work in small schools and small classes. I believe that it is the closeness of relationships in pedagogy that transform rather than reproduce culture.</p>
<p>Fortunately I have never had to teach a national curriculum or &#8216;teach to standards&#8217; and so my teaching has been free to explore the flourishing of the human spirit that you discuss here.</p>
<p>Thank you for starting my day here in Australia with such a thought-provoking, smile-producing post.</p>
<p>My very best wishes for 2009</p>
<p>Keith</p>
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		<title>Comment on Uninspected baggage by jennymackness</title>
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		<dc:creator>jennymackness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MERRY CHRISTMAS &amp; HAPPY NEW YEAR 2009 Carmen!

I hope to get round to blogging again next year!

Jenny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MERRY CHRISTMAS &amp; HAPPY NEW YEAR 2009 Carmen!</p>
<p>I hope to get round to blogging again next year!</p>
<p>Jenny</p>
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		<title>Comment on Uninspected baggage by Keith Lyons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Lyons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! What a wide ranging post. 

I believe the Latin word for baggage is &#039;impedimenta&#039;. I wonder whether baggage impedes or speeds a learning journey.

Picking up luggage at a carousel after a flight is a very public statement about how people travel. Reading blog posts like this gives an insight into a fellow traveller.

I am left pondering whether we should be concerned about other people&#039;s willingness and readiness to change. I think modeling change invites others to consider their possibilities for action.

You have sent me off on another line of enquiry. Thank you, Carmen.

PS Is it just me or does everyone become disconnected with their baggage on airline flights? I remember an old advertising campaign for Concorde ... Breakfast in London, Lunch in New York. Someone had added graffiti to one poster ... and luggage in Los Angeles!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! What a wide ranging post. </p>
<p>I believe the Latin word for baggage is &#8216;impedimenta&#8217;. I wonder whether baggage impedes or speeds a learning journey.</p>
<p>Picking up luggage at a carousel after a flight is a very public statement about how people travel. Reading blog posts like this gives an insight into a fellow traveller.</p>
<p>I am left pondering whether we should be concerned about other people&#8217;s willingness and readiness to change. I think modeling change invites others to consider their possibilities for action.</p>
<p>You have sent me off on another line of enquiry. Thank you, Carmen.</p>
<p>PS Is it just me or does everyone become disconnected with their baggage on airline flights? I remember an old advertising campaign for Concorde &#8230; Breakfast in London, Lunch in New York. Someone had added graffiti to one poster &#8230; and luggage in Los Angeles!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fig leaves and openness by ctscho</title>
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		<dc:creator>ctscho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Viplav, 
This is a perfect summing-up of the issues. I understand and agree with the difference between a pure connectivist framework and its real-life execution, and I think this is at the heart of my ambivalence. For example, I&#039;m observing a tendency for people to understand and promote connectivism in purely social terms, rather than through the more nuanced and complex view which incorporates, supports, or appreciates the potential in conceptual and even neural connections. This weighting toward the social then raises some serious questions about the group-network distinction or spectrum, as belongingness and possibly norming come into play in the social sphere. In addition to our ability to make simple things (unnecessarily) complex, :-) I also suspect we humans have a capacity or tendency to try and simplify and cope with networked complexity by this grouping and tacit or explicit norming. (Jenny Mackness linked to an article on the tyranny of participation, which is interesting in this context. http://jennymackness.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/succumbing-to-the-tyranny-of-participation/)

I&#039;m also contemplating the need for better definitions of openness and privacy than are implied in my use of these terms here; I suspect that these are not necessarily different ends of a spectrum, but perhaps blended qualities that reside in different parts of different quadrants defined by vertical and horizontal axes... still thinking on this;-).

Thanks for the comments!
Carmen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Viplav,<br />
This is a perfect summing-up of the issues. I understand and agree with the difference between a pure connectivist framework and its real-life execution, and I think this is at the heart of my ambivalence. For example, I&#8217;m observing a tendency for people to understand and promote connectivism in purely social terms, rather than through the more nuanced and complex view which incorporates, supports, or appreciates the potential in conceptual and even neural connections. This weighting toward the social then raises some serious questions about the group-network distinction or spectrum, as belongingness and possibly norming come into play in the social sphere. In addition to our ability to make simple things (unnecessarily) complex, <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I also suspect we humans have a capacity or tendency to try and simplify and cope with networked complexity by this grouping and tacit or explicit norming. (Jenny Mackness linked to an article on the tyranny of participation, which is interesting in this context. <a href="http://jennymackness.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/succumbing-to-the-tyranny-of-participation/)" rel="nofollow">http://jennymackness.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/succumbing-to-the-tyranny-of-participation/)</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m also contemplating the need for better definitions of openness and privacy than are implied in my use of these terms here; I suspect that these are not necessarily different ends of a spectrum, but perhaps blended qualities that reside in different parts of different quadrants defined by vertical and horizontal axes&#8230; still thinking on this;-).</p>
<p>Thanks for the comments!<br />
Carmen</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fig leaves and openness by Viplav Baxi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Viplav Baxi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Closed spaces may not limit the damage :) in any way to self-esteem. If I understand open-ness in the context of connective knowledge accurately, the perspective is that introducing factors that impede autonomy, open-ness and diversity in a network shall also impede the process of learning. 

In a pure connectivist framework, there is also no inherent value judgement in what you write or share (or if you decide not to). However , in practical terms, individual psychology, culture and a thousand other myriad factors shall impede total open-ness, autonomy and diversity.

It&#039;s complex, after all we humans have the knack to complexify almost anything :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Closed spaces may not limit the damage <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  in any way to self-esteem. If I understand open-ness in the context of connective knowledge accurately, the perspective is that introducing factors that impede autonomy, open-ness and diversity in a network shall also impede the process of learning. </p>
<p>In a pure connectivist framework, there is also no inherent value judgement in what you write or share (or if you decide not to). However , in practical terms, individual psychology, culture and a thousand other myriad factors shall impede total open-ness, autonomy and diversity.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s complex, after all we humans have the knack to complexify almost anything <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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